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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2010, 09:04:59 AM »
My ass is achin' more and more by the minute. 

armymom

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2010, 09:06:17 AM »
1 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $258,400
2 Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) Senate $195,100
3 Pomeroy, Earl (D-ND) House $157,900
4 Frank, Barney (D-MA) House $147,499
5 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $147,300
6 Kanjorski, Paul E (D-PA) House $144,200
7 Grassley, Chuck (R-IA) Senate $139,450
8 Cantor, Eric (R-VA) House $130,750
9 Bean, Melissa (D-IL) House $129,700
10 Burr, Richard (R-NC) Senate $127,500
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=F09
Top recipients of health professionals’ money:

1 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $303,725
2 Price, Tom (R-GA) House $271,775
3 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $252,150
4 Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) House $240,350
5 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $233,150
6 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $233,000
7 Wyden, Ron (D-OR) Senate $208,971
8 Kirk, Mark (R-IL) House $202,600
9 Gingrey, Phil (R-GA) House $178,325
10 Vitter, David (R-LA) Senate $175,350
Pharmaceuticals:

1 Burr, Richard (R-NC) Senate $172,019
2 Hatch, Orrin G (R-UT) Senate $148,365
3 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $133,100
4 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $124,850
5 Eshoo, Anna (D-CA) House $112,050
6 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $99,250
7 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $97,950
8 Murray, Patty (D-WA) Senate $89,250
9 Capuano, Michael E (D-MA) House $86,350
10 Kirk, Mark (R-IL) House $84,460
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=H04
Lawyers: wonder why no tort reform in HCR bill?

1 Reid, Harry (D-NV) Senate $1,774,223
2 Gillibrand, Kirsten (D-NY) Senate $977,472
3 Schumer, Charles E (D-NY) Senate $849,269
4 Specter, Arlen (D-PA) Senate $757,900
5 Meek, Kendrick B (D-FL) House $544,933
6 Boxer, Barbara (D-CA) Senate $454,970
7 Leahy, Patrick (D-VT) Senate $412,541
8 Dodd, Chris (D-CT) Senate $411,329
9 Lincoln, Blanche (D-AR) Senate $382,886
10 Bennet, Michael F (D-CO) Senate $364,350
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2010&ind=H01

Pasted from <http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2010/03/count-every-vote.html>

This is what "back pockets" in the healthcare debate looks like

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2010, 09:06:26 AM »
And your last line was "Don't bring JUDGEMENT into this, that is God's alone."

What did that have to do with the price of eggs?

Because there has been way too much judgment of others all the way around in this topic.
"The pen is mightier than the sword", Edward Bulwer-Lytton

armymom

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2010, 09:09:11 AM »
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I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff in it that nobody has a clue about.
It will will takes days / weeks before we really know what's in it and what all of the ramifications are.

I don't know fudd,
By reading this thread, it would appear that there are many who know all, already.

I'm sure there are many who have followed this intensely, although I will agree, we won't know what ALL the ramifications are until it effects that person.
Like maybe those at catipillar who might lose their jobs.

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2010, 09:15:57 AM »
Oh, Canada!

They have less people and their socialized medical system is already in place.

It's cleaner there, no Al Gore, and not nearly the amount of debt.
If you think it 's bad - it's probably worse.

Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2010, 09:16:33 AM »
"Render unto Caesar...."

Jesus and his followers gave everything away, no property, no goods, no weapons.  Marx was the first one to "coin" the phrase "socialist".  Jesus lived by the rules if someone needed it, give it to them.  Jesus is love, love is giving, not taking and gave until it included his life which is all he had left.

Is there one story in the Bible where Jesus turned away from anyone in need?  And he gave everything, not just "some".  Jesus is about selflessness.

Who followed the principles of Jesus in the modern day world?  Mother Theresa gave everything she had, she had no weapons, she owned nothing, she provided care and medical treatment to the most helpless and unwanted, the cast off's of society....the Lepers.

Jesus said we are ALL children of God and everyone in God's eyes is equal and treated the same because we are all sinners.. 

Don't bring JUDGEMENT into it because that is for God alone.

God said, "Thou shalt not steal"

There was also a 'law' to give 10% to God.   So does the government supersede God?   Does everyone who has condoned this, agree that if God only needs 10%, we give the rest to the government?   

Seriously, you can call this humanitarian for your conscience all you want to, that is how theives and liars justify their actions, but for every so called 'new' coverage for the poor little soul that was displayed on air you will have another poor soul who will be told they are too far gone to save, too old to be saved and their families will be told, 'there's nothing we can do', all the while down the street, miracle drugs will be given to the one deemed worthy to be saved.   

Don't believe me, it's happening now, however, the government just got your permission to be 'transparent' about it.

Humanity lost, people, you think you are doing good, just wait, hell will be welcomed compared to some of the agony people will be put through.  You have no idea.  Not until you walk a mile in the same shoes and you still won't be heard and others won't care as long as they are getting what they want. 
He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections.
Samuel Adams

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2010, 09:26:27 AM »
"Render unto Caesar...."

Jesus and his followers gave everything away, no property, no goods, no weapons.  Marx was the first one to "coin" the phrase "socialist".  Jesus lived by the rules if someone needed it, give it to them.  Jesus is love, love is giving, not taking and gave until it included his life which is all he had left.

Is there one story in the Bible where Jesus turned away from anyone in need?  And he gave everything, not just "some".  Jesus is about selflessness.

Who followed the principles of Jesus in the modern day world?  Mother Theresa gave everything she had, she had no weapons, she owned nothing, she provided care and medical treatment to the most helpless and unwanted, the cast off's of society....the Lepers.

Jesus said we are ALL children of God and everyone in God's eyes is equal and treated the same because we are all sinners.. 

Don't bring JUDGEMENT into it because that is for God alone.

God said, "Thou shalt not steal"

There was also a 'law' to give 10% to God.   So does the government supersede God?   Does everyone who has condoned this, agree that if God only needs 10%, we give the rest to the government?   

Seriously, you can call this humanitarian for your conscience all you want to, that is how theives and liars justify their actions, but for every so called 'new' coverage for the poor little soul that was displayed on air you will have another poor soul who will be told they are too far gone to save, too old to be saved and their families will be told, 'there's nothing we can do', all the while down the street, miracle drugs will be given to the one deemed worthy to be saved.   

Don't believe me, it's happening now, however, the government just got your permission to be 'transparent' about it.

Humanity lost, people, you think you are doing good, just wait, hell will be welcomed compared to some of the agony people will be put through.  You have no idea.  Not until you walk a mile in the same shoes and you still won't be heard and others won't care as long as they are getting what they want.


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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2010, 09:34:13 AM »
"Render unto Caesar…" is the beginning of a phrase attributed to Jesus in the synoptic gospels, which reads in full, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”) (Matthew 22:21).

This phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity and secular authority. The original message, coming in response to a question of whether it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Caesar, gives rise to multiple possible interpretations about whether it is desirable for the Christian to submit to earthly authority. Interpretations include the belief that it is good and appropriate to submit to the state when asked; that spiritual demands supersede earthly demands, but do not abolish them; that the demands of the state are non-negotiable; or that spiritual authority should maintain its independence from temporal authority, which rules by force rather than moral law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar...
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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2010, 09:43:07 AM »
Nicely put, SeaBiscuit.

One has to wonder if this Moslem masquerading as a marxist, is using our Christianity against us?
I say again, taxpayer funded abortions.
If you think it 's bad - it's probably worse.

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2010, 09:44:00 AM »
"Render unto Caesar…" is the beginning of a phrase attributed to Jesus in the synoptic gospels, which reads in full, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” (“Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ”) (Matthew 22:21).

This phrase has become a widely quoted summary of the relationship between Christianity and secular authority. The original message, coming in response to a question of whether it was lawful for Jews to pay taxes to Caesar, gives rise to multiple possible interpretations about whether it is desirable for the Christian to submit to earthly authority. Interpretations include the belief that it is good and appropriate to submit to the state when asked; that spiritual demands supersede earthly demands, but do not abolish them; that the demands of the state are non-negotiable; or that spiritual authority should maintain its independence from temporal authority, which rules by force rather than moral law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar...

So now we're following Wiki as opposed to the Bible?  :doh:
And I'm now suppose to follow the "interpretation from Wiki" as to what the Bible means as opposed to the Bible itself?  :doh:

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2010, 09:44:23 AM »
Oh good grief...

let's see, Jesus could heal lepers, the blind, hemorrhage, and even death, making laws to force taxpayers to pay Caesar to hire more taxpayers to make sure Caesar could spend the taxes collected anywhere he wanted under the guise of health care, obsolete.

No, my powers can only be used for good.

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2010, 09:45:39 AM »
Nicely put, SeaBiscuit.

One has to wonder if this Moslem masquerading as a marxist, is using our Christianity against us?
I say again, taxpayer funded abortions.


Tee, sorry but this will just get a post from Wiki stating that Obama isn't a "Moslem masquerading as a marxist".  :doh:

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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2010, 09:49:45 AM »
Wouldn't any women receiving welfare who happens to go out and abort a baby already be "taxpayer funded abortions?"  How about a police officer who does the same thing?


Are there specific clauses as to when and how a women can receive an abortion that doesn't directly come into conflict with the Bible?


And by the way, scriptures were written 1600 years ago, when society didn't even have road signs, sidewalks or good indoor plumbing.


But since the Bible and beliefs are off topic here... 


Health care passed because people allowed it too.  It's like when you procrastinate on something, you make excuses and you don't address the problem.  It gets worse and worse and then someone comes along and does it their way and faster and suddenly you're upset because someone did your job.




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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2010, 09:50:15 AM »
As always, attempting to give a different opinion is not acceptable.  I was just responding to armymom's comment about anything being in the Bible.

Sorry, I'll bow out now. 
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Re: Congress clears health care bill
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2010, 09:53:30 AM »
Giving a different opinion is always acceptable, judging those who don't like this bill as though they aren't concerned with those who TRULY need it, isn't.
If you would have read it correctly, my comments were directed to JAFO, which you complimented, that Christians should embrace this bill.