Topic: Congress clears health care bill

[teecatness]

If the IRS is now going to check for complaince through banking account transactions for privately held insurance, it would be smart for people to make all other personal transactions in cash. While you still can.

I have heard of people who won't even use their grocery store discount cards or bank cards at the registers because their purchases of questionably unhealthy foods are recorded.

[armymom]

When you have financial planners telling you to put your money in your mattress, you know that this is bad. 

[seabiscuit]

"Render unto Caesar...."

Jesus and his followers gave everything away, no property, no goods, no weapons.  Marx was the first one to "coin" the phrase "socialist".  Jesus lived by the rules if someone needed it, give it to them.  Jesus is love, love is giving, not taking and gave until it included his life which is all he had left.

Is there one story in the Bible where Jesus turned away from anyone in need?  And he gave everything, not just "some".  Jesus is about selflessness.

Who followed the principles of Jesus in the modern day world?  Mother Theresa gave everything she had, she had no weapons, she owned nothing, she provided care and medical treatment to the most helpless and unwanted, the cast off's of society....the Lepers.

Jesus said we are ALL children of God and everyone in God's eyes is equal and treated the same because we are all sinners.. 

Don't bring JUDGEMENT into it because that is for God alone.

[teecatness]

Jesus could perform miracles. He could muliply the food supply.

Anyone planting a garden this year?

Wait until this Congress "reforms" our utilities.
Anyone contemplating going off-grid? (Whether by choice or because you realize you won't be able to afford insurance premiums and staying plugged in if utilities "skyrocket?"

[armymom]

"Render unto Caesar...."

Jesus and his followers gave everything away, no property, no goods, no weapons.  Marx was the first one to "coin" the phrase "socialist".  Jesus lived by the rules if someone needed it, give it to them.  Jesus is love, love is giving, not taking and give until it included his life which is all he had left.

Is there one story in the Bible where Jesus turned away from anyone in need?  And he gave everything, not just "some".  Jesus is about selflessness.

Who followed the principles of Jesus in the modern day world?  Mother Theresa gave everything she had, she had no weapons, she owned nothing, she provided care and medical treatment to the most helpless and unwanted, the cast off's of society....the Lepers.

Jesus said we are ALL children of God and everyone in God's eyes is equal and treated the same because we are all sinners.. 

Don't bring JUDGEMENT into it because that is for God alone.

The key words in your post "Jesus and HIS FOLLOWERS". Most people do not realize or they are not taught that Jesus was talking to the Jewish, not everyone. Jesus never said to give your money to the Romans so that they can help our poor. Not once. Jesus's followers gave everything away to follow HIM, not the government. Is everyone a follower of Jesus? If everyone gave everything away or the government took everything away from them, does that make them "followers of Jesus? Are you saved by giving more to the government? Are you saved by works? And not everyone in God's eyes is equal and treated the same. He offers that to all, but you have to be saved. If that were so, there would be no need for Jesus.Jesus came, lived, died and was resurrected for all, IF THEY BELIEVED IN HIM TO DO SO. Is everyone a believer?  He would not have to come to die for our sins, if those who reject him just had to give their things away to the poor. Jesus also said there will always be poor and there will always be war. Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, also taught that if you did not work, you did not eat.

[teecatness]

I know some Christians who object to taxpayer funded abortions.

[armymom]

SB, the more I think about what you posted about judgement, the more I realize that it is you who have passed judgement. You have no idea who helps who, yet you want to enforce it. God wanted us to give willingly, you know, a cheerful giver. Giving is a personal issue, not a governnment issue.

While you assume that those who are against this healthcare bill do not want to "give". You would be wrong. I have not talked to one person who didn't say that some sort of reform was needed. However, how those changes were to be was the topic of discussion. Do you think it is right for you or the government to mandate that a citizen of the US HAS to purchase something? I don't. And I don't want to hear the old argument about car insurance. It is a flawed argument. I can't purchase automobile insurance AFTER I wreck my car and expect that same car to be covered. I CAN taylor my car insurance to my needs, not yours. Insurance should be the same. There should be no mandates for people to buy insurance when there are people who are able to pay cash for their services. People should be able to have health savings accounts, not a blanket insurance policy that they may not need. This bill is wrong on so many levels. But NEVER equate those who don't like this bill as people who don't want reform. That would be judgemental.

[armymom]

I know some Christians who object to taxpayer funded abortions.

You're exactly right, yet Christians who are opposed to that are suppose to put away their convictions.

[Fudd]

I'm seriously considering becoming Amish.
I believe they are exempt from this sham.

[teecatness]

Fudd, it might be easier to become a Christian Scientist. You could still use your computer!

[Fudd]

Fudd, it might be easier to become a Christian Scientist. You could still use your computer!

Yea but the Christian Scientists are as loony as the democrat party.   

[seabiscuit]

SB, the more I think about what you posted about judgement, the more I realize that it is you who have passed judgement. You have no idea who helps who, yet you want to enforce it. God wanted us to give willingly, you know, a cheerful giver. Giving is a personal issue, not a governnment issue.

While you assume that those who are against this healthcare bill do not want to "give". You would be wrong. I have not talked to one person who didn't say that some sort of reform was needed. However, how those changes were to be was the topic of discussion. Do you think it is right for you or the government to mandate that a citizen of the US HAS to purchase something? I don't. And I don't want to hear the old argument about car insurance. It is a flawed argument. I can't purchase automobile insurance AFTER I wreck my car and expect that same car to be covered. I CAN taylor my car insurance to my needs, not yours. Insurance should be the same. There should be no mandates for people to buy insurance when there are people who are able to pay cash for their services. People should be able to have health savings accounts, not a blanket insurance policy that they may not need. This bill is wrong on so many levels. But NEVER equate those who don't like this bill as people who don't want reform. That would be judgemental.

My post was in response to this:

Jesus was the furthest thing from a socialist. It would help if you knew your Bible as opposed to telling others what it says. Jesus was for PERSONAL responsibility, not collectiveness. He never once said to give to the government so that they can distribute your money to give to others as the government sees fit.

I wasn't saying anything about anyone for or against healthcare.   

[armymom]

And your last line was "Don't bring JUDGEMENT into this, that is God's alone."

What did that have to do with the price of eggs?

[The_Rooster]

A well put together list of what happens next:




http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1914020220100319

[unemployed]

I'm sure there is a bunch of stuff in it that nobody has a clue about.
It will will takes days / weeks before we really know what's in it and what all of the ramifications are.

I don't know fudd,
By reading this thread, it would appear that there are many who know all, already.